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From:  Joe Martin
Date:  Mon Sep 6, 1999  5:07 pm
Subject:  transpositions


hi--
This is a question I have long puzzled over; linguists could tell a lot by
what types of errors people make in reading SW, by *if they transpose, and
if so *what/how they transpose---that awaits further research.
But all this first depends on one point. You can't transpose things
(i.e. get them in the wrong order) unless there is some order to begin
with. So my question is this; are signwriting symbols arranged in a
linear order? (Obviously the words follow each other, but are the parts
of a word--the movement arrow, the second hand shape if there is one,
facial expression, etc--are these arranged into a linear (or any) order?

Joe


>Original message:
>
> Hi Don - Thanks for explaining what a transposition is :-)
>
> So I believe I understand your question as being...When people read
> SignWriting, do they sometimes mistakenly transpose symbols? And if they
> don't, then your assumption is that SignWriting perhaps is not phonetic or
> phonemic...Please forgive me if I have misunderstood your point..
>
> If that is your point, then my answer is this: SignWriting is definitely
> phonetic/phonemic, and is not logographic. Although I have zero research on
> whether people "transpose" SW symbols or not, I suspect they do
> occasionally. Once a person becomes fluent in reading SignWriting it is
> quite similar to becoming fluent in reading a spoken language written with
> the Roman alphabet. Signs, like words, become a collected unit of "pieces"
> and the brain starts memorizes each collection of pieces. They become
> "standardized" from constant repetition. Sometimes some signs look quite
> close to each other - similar handshapes - maybe only the movement changes
> or whatever - and when two signs are written with similar symbols, but only
> slightly differently....just like words, they can be mis-read.
>
> Valerie ;-)
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
>
> Valerie Sutton SignWritingSite
> http://www.SignWriting.org
>
> Deaf Action Committee for SignWriting...Center For Sutton Movement Writing
> an educational nonprofit organization...Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038-0517, USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:47:25 -0700
> From: Valerie Sutton
> Subject: Re: SignWriting In Kentucky
>
> >Thanks for that information. Helps me get started out the gate
> >at a run.
>
> James Womack
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> James - Another school using SignWriting this Fall is in Troy, New York
> state. Here is the teacher to contact:
>
> Deborah Holden
>
>
> I will be posting Deborah's letter and web report, and Stefan's too..shortly!
>
> Now..I wish someone would invent a day that has 26 or 28 hours...wouldn't
> that be wonderful?!
>
> Valerie ;-)
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
>
> Valerie Sutton SignWritingSite
> http://www.SignWriting.org
>
> Deaf Action Committee for SignWriting...Center For Sutton Movement Writing
> an educational nonprofit organization...Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038-0517, USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:16:42 -0300
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:13:20 +0200
> From: Martin 'Lolly' Lorenz
> Subject: visual "phonology"
>
> dear sw-l members,
>
> does anyone know the work of Linda Uyechi:
> "The Geometry of Visual Phonology"?
>
> i currently read it in parts and would like to
> discuss some of the aspects presented in this thesis.
>
> thanks
> --
> Martin "Lolly" Lorenz
>
> Microsoft, I think, is fundamentally an evil company.
> - JAMES H. CLARK
>
> http://hasiti.mir.at/~martin
>
> the more daring thing mostly is
> to question the known
> than to explore the unknown
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:54:14 -0700
> From: Valerie Sutton
> Subject: Re: visual "phonology"
>
> >dear sw-l members,
> >
> >does anyone know the work of Linda Uyechi:
> >"The Geometry of Visual Phonology"?
> >
> >i currently read it in parts and would like to
> >discuss some of the aspects presented in this thesis.
> >thanks
> >Martin "Lolly" Lorenz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Hello Martin -
> I believe the work you mention is from the Netherlands? Give us a short
> paragraph describing the theory, since most people on the List have no way
> to access the material :-)
>
> Valerie ;-)
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
>
> Valerie Sutton SignWritingSite
> http://www.SignWriting.org
>
> Deaf Action Committee for SignWriting...Center For Sutton Movement Writing
> an educational nonprofit organization...Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038-0517, USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:25:52 -0700
> From: Alice Rose
> Subject: Re: visual "phonology"
>
> Published in 1996 by CSLI Publications (Stanford, CA), The Geometry of Visual
> Phonology is
> a slightly revised version of Linda Uyechi's 1994 doctoral dissertation
> (Stanford
> University). It is based on data from ASL.
>
> -Alice
>
> ________________________________________
> Alice Rose
> ProgressWorks-2190 Grove Street-Ste 12-San Francisco-CA-94117
>
> Joint Doctoral Program in Special Education
> University of California-Berkeley/San Francisco State University
> ________________________________________
>
> ----------
> >From: Valerie Sutton
> >To: SignWriting List
> >Subject: Re: visual "phonology"
> >Date: Fri, Sep 3, 1999, 7:54 AM
> >
>
> >>dear sw-l members,
> >>
> >>does anyone know the work of Linda Uyechi:
> >>"The Geometry of Visual Phonology"?
> >>
> >>i currently read it in parts and would like to
> >>discuss some of the aspects presented in this thesis.
> >>thanks
> >>Martin "Lolly" Lorenz
> >
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >Hello Martin -
> >I believe the work you mention is from the Netherlands? Give us a short
> >paragraph describing the theory, since most people on the List have no way
> >to access the material :-)
> >
> >Valerie ;-)
> >
> >
> >_____________________________________________________________
> >
> >Valerie Sutton SignWritingSite
> > http://www.SignWriting.org
> >
> >Deaf Action Committee for SignWriting...Center For Sutton Movement Writing
> >an educational nonprofit organization...Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038-0517,
USA
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of SW-L Digest - 2 Sep 1999 to 3 Sep 1999
> *********************************************
>


  Replies Author Date
1808 Re: transpositions Valerie Sutton Mon  9/6/1999
1817 transpositions Joe Martin Thu  9/9/1999
1819 Re: transpositions Valerie Sutton Thu  9/9/1999
1823 Re: transpositions Valerie Sutton Fri  9/10/1999

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