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From:  Stefan Woehrmann
Date:  Sat Oct 16, 1999  7:24 pm
Subject:  Re: 2 signs for Germany

>From: Valerie Sutton
>Reply-To: SignWriting List
>To: SignWriting List
>Subject: Re: 2 signs for Germany
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:02:49 -0700
>Actually the reason I posted the two ASL signs for Germany, was because
>Susanne Bentele from Hamburg told me that they use the sign with the index
>finger handshape placed at the forehead for "Germany" Hamburg.
I guess all Deaf use this sign in Germany for Germany!

I was
>really suprised, since that is the "old ASL sign" for Germany. So to show
>Susanne how we write that sign, I placed it in the SignBank, along with the
>other ASL sign for Germany placed there too.
>Here in the USA, it has become the norm to try to use the same country sign
>that is used by native Deaf people in that country. So the sign for Germany
>with the two five-handshapes crossed with wiggling fingers, is the one that
>American Deaf people told me was the sign they used in Germany for
>"Germany" (smile).

nope ;-)
>But then Susanne said she had never seen that sign, and now you tell me you
>have another sign altogether -ha!

Im sorry Val.This is my fault - with "b" I wanted to adress the second
version - indexfinger - exactly the way you have posted it!
I adressed the first one as "a" the second one as "b"

Excuse my bad description!

Just goes to show why dictionaries are
>never perfect, and why placing all the different versions of signs in
>dictionaries is probably wise...there are some real strong variations in
>every country.

Its the indexfinger variation in DGS for Germany! Im positiv!
>The old ASL sign for Germany with the index finger at the head is
>"representing the helmets from World War I" least that is what I am
>told. And I was told that Deaf people in Germany felt offended by that
>sign used in the USA - so that is one of the reasons it was changed to the
>five handshapes crossed.

Im astonished as no one of my friends would feel offended. I was surprised
to learn about the Egyptian version though!

Some deaf people told me that in order to offend German DEAf people foreign
people sign the Indexfinger going weak and bent down :-)
Its a joke - r not - I have to ask my friends - how they feel about that!
>And your story about Egypt is a good one, because there are a lot of signs
>for the USA in other countries that are far from flattering...actually one
>of them is slapping the rear end!
>(Dont know what you mean - I have to look for my dictionary
>(english-german spoken language - ;-))
> problem! We can write that in SignWriting (grin)...just put in a
>hip line, with a striking contact star under it!
>Val ;-)
>Valerie Sutton
>SignWritingSite...Lessons Online
>SignBankSite...Databases Online
>Deaf Action Committee For SignWriting
>Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038-0517, USA

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1955 Signs for different countries Valerie Sutton Sun  10/17/1999

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