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From:  "Karlin, Ben"
Date:  Wed Sep 16, 1998  10:19 pm
Subject:  Re: SW for Second Graders

While it would be invaluable to assemble a team all in one place
(imagine the intellectual energy in that room!) wouldn't it also be
possible to take some of the "Performance" and poetry videotapes and
transcribe them in order to get some of those more copmplex works?

It would be interesting to explore the copyright problems that go along
with that. I know that captions get a different copyright then the
script on which they are based.

I can imagine...., oh, some of the Valli poems transcribed for use in
literature classes, for example, ABC stories, etc etc. Anybody got some
extra time?
Ben Karlin
Staff Interpreter for the Deaf, St Louis Psychiatric Rehabilitation
5300 W Arsenal St, St Louis, MO 63139-1494
Phone 314 644-8270 V/TTY | Fax 314 644-8115

P.S., What's going on: the mail from Ronald Zapien is from Cheryl; Judy
Kegl's mail is from James? Mine is really from me. BSK
> From: Ronald Zapien
> To: SignWriting List
> Subject: Re: SW for Second Graders
> Date: Wednesday, 16 September, 1998 3:30PM
> The Kegl's are right. When a child is learning a language, if he has
> models, he is always exposed to more complex language than he can
> produce. Usually in 2nd grade, there are two kinds of books. There
are books
> the kids read which are at grade level and then there are usually
other books,
> more complex both in vocabulary and language structure that the
teacher reads
> to the children. In addition, parents are encouraged to read, read,
read to
> their 2nd graders (can you tell that my daughter just finished 2nd
> *smile*) A book which comes to mind is Charlotte's Web. It is far
> difficult for the average 2nd grader to read, but is often read to the
> during the break after lunch. Cheryl Zapien
> Judy Kegl wrote:
> > The problem, in my humble opinion, is not that the SW ASL material
is too
> > complex for second graders. Rather, it is all too simple. If you
want to
> > teach kids to read , then you have to be able to read to them. The
> > teachers read to hearing second graders is pretty sophisticated
stuff. The
> > books the second graders themselves read are vastly more
sophisticated than
> > anything I have seen in SW ASL so far, with the excpetion of
> > newsletters.
> >
> > There is no overnight solution. Instead, there needs to be an
> > effort to produce the literature -- not ten sentence basic
adaptations of
> > stories that merely gut them, but truly complex stuff. Educators
> > storytellers should be assisting ASL speakers in producing SW
> > (I appreciate that much of the SW material thus far is intended as
> > demonstrational.)
> >
> > The advantage of SW -- the real miracle of SW -- is that the system
> > potentially puts Deaf kids at a par with their hearing peers when it
> > to learning to read and write in their native language. But, you
have to
> > level the rest of the playing field for this to work. That means
the Deaf
> > kids need the same quality stuff, in SW, that hearing kids get in
> > etc.
> >
> > So, there should be stories with adjectives -- lots of them --,
> > metaphors and so forth. Sure, you need basic sentence structures,
but you
> > need relatives and conditionals, too. ASL uses all this all some
form of
> > grammatical equivalent. And, you need stories with depth -- stuff
> > really peaks the interest.
> >
> > Produce these, and read them to kids everyday, and they will be
> > motivated to want to read. Combine this with really basic stuff for
> > beginner readers to learn to read and write. Flash cards have their
> > but children learn to read by recognizing whole words in context.
SW is
> > visually phonetic -- that's why it's so valuable. But, phonetics
alone are
> > not enough.
> >
> > To adapt a story from English to ASL, you need: 1) a fluent reader
> > English who can teach storywriting; 2) a fluent ASL signer ; and 3)
> > adept user of SW. Also, respectfully, the notion that Deaf people's
> > judgment in producing SW stories is inherently superior to that of
> > people whose culture revolves around putting spoken thoughts to pen
> > crap. (Well, now there, I've said it. But, then I'll bet you no
one has
> > produced as much literature in SW as I have. Alas, it's all in the
> > sign language for y'all in the States. I have been at it with a
team for
> > two years now, and that's why we have as much as we do. Still, we
> > just scratched the surface (one of those metaphors even second
> > know.)
> >
> > So, if you want to contact me to assemble a team -- I'm in the USA 7
> > a year.
> >
> > -- James Shepard-Kegl, director, Escuelita de Bluefields (Nicaragua)

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