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James Womack Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 10:01 am Subject: Re: SignWriting as a gateway? | |
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Ronald Zapien wrote: > > I can't resist, so I won't. What about LOAN signs. They are, to my knowledge, > considered signs, however they are truely elegant fingerspellings of English words > at the same time. They are "borrowings" from English, slightly mutated much in > the same way that English has borrowed words like: chop suey, bagel, tacos (and a > lot of other non-food items as well *grin*) Sorry--you get the picture.) > > Are LOAN signs a form of signed English or no??? Cheryl All languages borrow from each other (hearies ar even using ASL fused into their speech (quote sign, ILY sign, not (among groups of hearing NV high schoolers) etc). The issue was not whether or not something was signed English, but whether signed English was English; which it is not. English is a spoken language, not a fingerspelled language. And borrowed signs are not signs. They are fingerspelling treated as if they were signs. It like in English where nouns may be used as adjectives but the words remain nouns all the same. As I said before, humans manipulate language in such ways that you cannot say this rule shall stand irrevocable. we are too dynamic in ourlanguage use to allow that. Thus the existence of peotic license, inneudo, wittisms, limericks, puns, spoonerisms, and etc. I fear you got the issue garbled. I never claimed that ASL doesn't borrow from English (that'd be too stupid even for me). I said signed English was not English. Nor is SW ASL nor English. It's is a graphical representation of sign language just as the English alphabet is a graphical representation of English. But neither are the language itself. Final proof? All languages pre-date their written form. If you insist that the graphical representation IS the language, you're claiming the language was not a language until it developed a written form. Question then, what the heck was it and how did people go about understanding each other with it? -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Squirrel wisdom: (\__/) .~ ~.)) /O O ./ .' {O__, \ { Photons have mass!? I didn't know / . . ) they were Catholic! |-| '-' \ ( _( )_.' https://www.education.eku.edu/Sed/faculty/womack/default.htm |
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