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Ingvild Roald Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 5:50 pm Subject: Re: rotation symbols and directions | |
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Yes. Got it. Beautyful illustrations and explanations. The slanted paper is an exelent help for the understanding. (I do *not intend to re-write all of the dictionary, it was just this one 'ion' sign. My iformation about ASL comes mostly fro Gallaudet, by the way.) Ingvild >From: Valerie Sutton >Reply-To: SignWriting List >To: SignWriting List >Subject: Re: rotation symbols and directions >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:56:52 -0700 > >At 4:21 AM -0700 7/7/00, Ingvild Roald wrote: >>I am confused too. Because sometimes the little finger is supposed >>to lead, and sometimes the thumb. How would an outsider know which >>one 'felt' right? The rotations made in ASL feels all wrong in >>Norwegian SL, so, as I know I have said before, I would prefer >>symbols to mean 'clockwise' and 'anti-clockwise'. Then we would know >>what was meant. >>(I just had to go back into the sign file for the paper that is to >>be posted soon, to change the ASL 'ion' rotation - I had forgotten >>when I first wrote the sign that even if the handshapes are exatly >>the same as in NoSL and in FiSL, the rotation is opposite). >>Ingvild > >SignWriting List >July 7, 2000 > >Hello Everyone, and Ingvild and Stefan - > >Yes. I know. I understand the confusion, and I also understand that I >have not been able to explain myself properly. I have some neat ideas >for illustrations that will take care of this - at least I hope they >will! > >Meanwhile I am no artist and words are rediculous to explain such >things. But I can try. Please see the attached GIF. > >First, you can write EITHER the baby finger OR the thumb pattern - >either one is fine and readable to an outsider. The idea of "feeling" >is thrown out...there are some concrete rules. > >You are welcome to use the term clockwise or counter clockwise...that >is fine with me. Both the thumb and the baby finger can go either >clockwise or counter clockwise depending on the motion. > >Do not assume that ASL does "this or that" - I have no idea what ASL >does! I know the sign for "signing" in ASL rotates one direction in >one ASL dialect, and rotates the opposite in another ASL dialect...I >have seen it with my own eyes...so I am not sure which ASL dialect >you are writing. > >I am looking forward to teaching the seminar to the teachers in New >Mexico on July 20th, because I have a new way to teach the rotation >symbols and I want to share with them. But it is a "demonstration" >kind of teaching. The same demonstration in person, has to be >captured in illustrations and in print, and that will take me time. > >I hope you won't change your dictionaries just because Valerie Sutton >needs some better teaching materials - ha! > >The writing system will evolve and improve anyway, and all >dictionaries will go through changes. I am sure your dictionary is >excellent right now, and is the best under the circumstances I have >handed you. > >My word description of the GIF below: > >Try to imagine that your arm is an axis (a straight line up and >down). It is encased inside a clear plastic tube that encircles the >entire arm. On the baby finger, you have a pencil with the point >sticking out touching the tube. The same kind of pencil is also on >your thumb. So imagine the silly picture of a hand with a pencil on >both the baby fingers and thumb, inside a clear plastic tube! > >Now imagine rotating that arm and hand. The pencils will make marks >on the tube. The marks are the arrows on the rotation symbols. You >can use either the baby finger's mark, or the thumb's mark - it >doesn't matter. > >Meanwhile, your paper is at a slant. The top of your page is closer >to the front wall (away from you). The bottom of your page is closer >to your chest (close to you). So the curve reflects that too...the >curve drawn by the finger that is further away from you (wall in >front of you) will be curving up since that is going towards the top >of the page, and the curve that is closer to your chest, will be >curving down, towards your chest...please see attached GIF: ><< _pencilonsides.gif >> ><< pencilonsides.gif >> |
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