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joe martin Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 10:49 am Subject: Re: Japanese Bibel Project - second turn | ||||||||
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Hi Stefan! Yes, I agree about the discussing, and no, I don't feel hurt, insulted, threatened or any other thing by constructive criticism. On the contrary, I welcome it in the interest of improving my stuff. Lots of people don't feel like that, unfortunately, for whatever reason, and that is just a fact we have to deal with. I understand that something like 80% of the readers on these lists just lurk, and never post anything. that is OK, too. They learn passively by reading. those of us like you and I who want to be a little more active, just have to lead the way. no problem, really. I"m just very grateful to have a discussion partner. (^_^) <-- BTW, that's just a happy little face; I like it. I'm printing out your posts for study at home. :-) joe >From: Stefan Woehrmann >Reply-To: SignWriting List >To: SignWriting List >Subject: Japanese Bibel Project - second turn >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:34:35 +0200 > >Hi Joe and friends , >here is my comment on the next frames we try to transcribe. > > >I believe that the signer wants to sign "Jesus" but I guess that he >touches >the palm of the >left hand 5 fingers spread palm to the left with his middle and >ringfingers - > >I couldnīt find this handshape on the keyboard - so I tried my own >construction. > >The next movement isnīt clear enough. I guess (again) that he touches his >palm of the C-handshaped left hand parallel to the floor palm inside with >-- >with what ?? > >please help - is it the index -finger ? > >(Here we can find back to our discussion on how exactly we need to >transcribe - I guess he signs Jesus - and the usual sign for Jesus - touch >of middlefingers at the plams of the hands would serve perfectly in order >to >write down a signed meaning - >but thatīs not what our project was set up for. In case we decide to write >what we see - I mean movement-sequences - I would love to be able to do >that. ) > >Nitpicking - ha ! > >The signer starts with looking ahead down but ends with looking forward - >eyebrows up - is it important ? Does he indicate - Iīm talking about the >important person? > > >How to write this shift from looking down in front of you to straight >forward ???? I mean - should we write to faces - starting with the first >part of the sign - and then another face with the eyes open ? - or arrows ? > >Joe wrote arrows underneath the eyebrows (up ) >How to interpret these arrows - single stem down ? >Hi Joe do you have the excellent "Lessons in Signwriting " Textbook and >Workbook? > >I looked up chapter 10 Facial Expressions . In my point of view it is one >of >the most difficult issues and I would love to see more examples - photo or >drawing and SW-symbol - > >Single- stemmed down arrow is reserved for the direction towards the body. >double-stemmed arrows down in this case would indicate "Eyes Gaze Down" (X, >page 3) > >Next frame: > >Joe you picked the curved single-stem to the right - indicating that he >moves his right hand like in you (many persons) . >I would rather identify a small up down curve to the right - and therefore >I >picked the double-stemmed arrow - do you agree ? >Interesting to me is , that the signer starts with eyes open, eyebrows up - >but ends with his head slightly bent to the right (expressive point of >view) >eyes closed - once again the problem - how to write the two faces --- >Thanks for your symbol for head-orientation -- I have to study that - seems >to be one of my ongoing problems > > >Joe you can see his cheeks filled with air ? The quality of my video isnīt >good enough. >You can identify his mouth with kissing lips ? >(Iīm sorry - I canīt see that neither) >I guess that his eyebrows arenīt up, when he closes his eyes . ??? > >next frame - > >I agree with you - eyebrows up. He looks at his left 3 fingers hand - how >to >write that ? >The English explanation for what you wrote (single-stemmed arows down to >the >left : "Eyes Gaze Back-Diagonal" My English isnīt good enough but is this >back-diagonal ? > >Eyes Gaze forward diagonal is written with single-stemmed arrows upwards to >the right or left! In this case - to be sooooooo exactly you wanted to >indicate down - forward diagonal and at the same time diagonal to the left >- >Valerie should help ;-) Do we need double-stemmed arrows down to the left >with the horizontal line ???? > >For everyday spelling we can forget that - just lift the left hand a litle >bit - now you can watch it with the single-stemmed "Eyes gaze >forward-diagonal!" symbol :-) > >What about the left hand - palm facing the body - >What was your idea to "draw" the fingers the way you did - ? >Do you identify the left handshape as a f-hand ? I canīt see that - I >voted >for the W-hand - >;-) > > > >I attached my transcription . Would appriciate your feed-back very much > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: joe martin >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:04 PM >Subject: Shyuwa > > > > Here is my gif: nextthree.gif > > > > It's past time we did some more on the Japanese Video Transcription, so >I > > thought I would send my versions of the next signs. Let's compare notes >on > > these; you guys can post your versions, add comments--we can let Valerie > > rest for a while (like she ever does--ha!) > > I suspect my first two signs might be a compound, only one sign rather >than > > two as I wrote it; what do you others think? > > > > _______________________________________ > > Joe Martin, Plain Old Ordinary Student > > Top Left Corner USA > > > > | ||||||||
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