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Valerie Sutton Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001 8:04 pm Subject: Re: Diagonal-Sagittal Hands | |
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SignWriting List November 8, 2001 Hi Everyone, and of course Steve and Dianne and Stefan! Thank you for sharing everything about your visit to Germany - And thanks for the great attached GIF, which does bring up several great points. .....Just a quick point about the horizon line, that cuts across the hands and arrows on the diagonal plane forward and back... The horizon line is like a tool that can be used anytime you want to create a diagonal position or movement. And yes...you are absolutely right...the horizon line can move up and down on the hand or arrow stem line, depending on how the hand hits the horizon and when...So these symbols are quite variable. There is an easy way to document it....if we could take a photo of the hand relating to a horizontal bar....like a railing in front of the body. When the hand is directly on top of the bar, the hand is parallel to the floor and therefore the bar is hidden from view and so it creates that hollow break in the handshape because the horizon line is hidden underneath the hand...that symbol, as well as the arrows on the diagonal plane and the diagonal hands...all of them can have the bar move down or up on the symbols...almost like a geger counter or a weather vane...the horizontal line, whether it be hollow or a dark line...is movable up and down...So what you wrote does exist, Steve, and you certainly have the right idea of the situation...It can get quite complex though, because as you move the horizon line up and down on the symbol the hands and movement arrows relate differently to the horizon, creating in-between horizontal planes - so if we used them on a daily basis, you are right, that we would have to define each one with a definite plan. The reason the symbols have not been as defined, is because we were not using them in SignWriting... This is the very reason why I am focusing so hard on the SignBank Database right now. Because with SymbolBank in published form, we can have every symbol in the entire writing system documented in a database and you can type in the word "diagonal" and get all the possible variations of one symbol and how they are applied. I am almost done with an 18 page instruction booklet for the beta test version of SignBank 2.0 and I hope to get back on the List soon...Meanwhile, thank you everyone for all your great messages and I look forward to more communication - My best to everyone - Val ;-) ------------------------------- >Valerie and list, > >Attached here is a bitmap with my suggestion for diagonal-sagittal hands. > >To me, the line across the hands represents the part of the hand that is >tilted toward the horizon. I suggest that the line be placed toward the >fingers if the fingers are the part that is farthest from the body (closest >to the horizon). If we move the line closer to the base of the hand it would >signify that the base is farthest from the body. > >Personally this notation really only has value to me as a linguist, not as a >story writer. This notation is very confusing so I don't think it is worth >including in normal written texts. I've always found that textual context is >sufficient to clear up any doubt that might arise from the lack of this hand >rotation. > >So, for what it's worth, here is my bitmap. > >Steve >:-) > >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:steve-rotation.bmp (BMPp/JVWR) (000237EE) |
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