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Valerie Sutton Date: Fri Oct 15, 1999 1:08 pm Subject: Re: blending writing systems... | ||||||||||||
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>What I like about the Stokoe system is it's simplicity in writing and it >might be easier to organize signs in a dictionary using his notation >system, but using SW for the actual words or signs? Pastor Ronald ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I think that's a great idea, as from what I know about SignWriting (- yes, >Valerie, I have actually started learnig! - ) you cannot order signs in a >sort of 'alphabetical' way, which you can in Stokoe or HamNoSys, for >example. Susanne ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ October 15, 1999 Hello Susanne and Ron and Everyone! I am glad to know you are learning SignWriting, Susanne, and I admire you learning all these systems! And perhaps, Ron, you may not realize the many sides to SignWriting, just as other systems have many sides too.... And before I go on, I want you both to know that I have complete respect for the other systems - I personally would rather not blend them, but on the other hand, maybe Chinese is looked-up by the Roman alphabet in China? I do not know their history. But now, having said that, actually the above statement is not true, Susanne. (Of course I realize that there was no way for you to know that).... We do have a Sign-Symbol-Sequence, which I have been working on for 20 years now.. I am planning to do an article about it on the web, and you know me (grin)...I haven't gotten to it yet - ha!! So let me give you some details....The issues that you both bring up (sequence and shorthand) have been published books in the 1980s: "Sutton's Sign-Symbol-Sequence", "SignWriting Shorthand" and "SignWriting Handwriting" are three books that became out-of-date, so the only reason you are not using the Shorthand right now, or the Sequence right now, is because I have not gotten to re-writing the books. You can find one portion of the Handwriting book online: Learn To Write SignWriting by Hand Lesson 1: Return to Basics https://www.SignWriting.org/curs001.html Learn To Write SignWriting by Hand Lesson 2: SW Block Printing, Flat Hand https://www.SignWriting.org/curs007.html In regards to looking signs up by sign-symbols....let me give you an example....We worked on a dictionary between Danish Sign Language and American Sign Language years ago, that had no spoken language in the entire book, so obviously if we could look up DSL to get ASL and ASL to get DSL...we had to have a way to sort by sign symbols!! There is information on the web: Information on Shorthand Book & Danish-American Dictionary https://www.SignWriting.org/hist006.html We also have a short dictionary looked up by Sequence on the web: ASL-English Picture Dictionary https://www.SignWriting.org/asl012.html When you go to the above page, you will notice that the signs are not sorted by English words. Instead they are sorted by hands that use the Index Finger, and as you go through the pages, you will see that there are categories for looking signs up by Sutton's Sequence. I hope to publish a book on Sutton's Sign-Symbol-Sequence it in the Spring. We have two sequences....one that is "language specific" and one I call the "Generic Sequence", which looks up by body movement, and not necessarily signed languages. As you know, Michael Everson and I are working on a new project "Encoding SignWriting in the Universal Character Set (Unicode)". You can read about the project on these two pages: Short Project Description https://www.SignWriting.org/unicod01.html Encoding SignWriting in the Universal Character Set by Michael Everson https://www.SignWriting.org/unicod00.html The reason I bring this up, is that the Unicode project is stimulating me to use the Generic sequence, since it will be applicable to all signed languages. And I plan to place the Generic Sequence on our new SignBank site, to give people a complete listing of how the Sequences function. SignBankSite https://www.SignBank.org So, now that you know all this (grin)...I suspect all systems can do everything - they just do them differently!! Best - Val ;-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Valerie Sutton SignWritingSite...Lessons Online https://www.SignWriting.org SignBankSite...Databases Online https://www.SignBank.org Deaf Action Committee For SignWriting Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038-0517, USA | ||||||||||||
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