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Stefan Woehrmann Date: Fri May 26, 2000 2:55 pm Subject: Re: Lessons In Sign Language Transcription | ||||||||||||
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Hello dear colleagues, Joe Martin wrote : > Comments: > 1st sign: > I guess it's just me, but I looked and looked and looked at this--it > looked like he touched his jaw with his index finger. I couldn't decide > whether to write it that way, or with the second contact on the shoulder, > or non second contact at all. Did anyone else have that problem? > Yes my son Johannes , my wife and me !! > I liked Stephan's change of orientation, which seems to capture the > movement quite well. Mark's was *very clear--but I agree, maybe better > not to shift perspectives unless we have to. > Itīs my turn to comment : " I guess it's just me, but I looked and looked and looked at this " in the end I decided to write the sign the way he (Hi Mark - What is his name ??) moved his right hand and arm (what I could see or believed to recognize) This is the typical "critical" decision we have to make - as long as I donīt know the other language - I donīt know wether a specific sign changes its meaning in case I change the orientation of the hand - So I felt more confident with this. It didnīt came to my mind until now that the first part of my "L -Hand sign " is written from the front -perspective while the end is top-down ? My pupils accept this without hesitation. Would it be better to write both parts of this sign from top - down ? (see attached gif ) > 2nd sign: > Wow, a lot of different spellings :-) I noticed the arm movement, but > thought it was unneccesary to write it as it seemed more a consequence of > the wrist moving--so I didn't write it. Well - I think it is interesting to write it as you see it - If it isnīt important - no problem . We can do without. This idea was on my mind when I realized that I have got problems to write the hands in the first sign. Of course the exact positon of the hands arenīt important to understand what the signer wants to express - (I concentrate - I`m going to start in a moment, ) But I think this teaching project should pick up all the problems that occur during every day writing - mistakes are our friends !! I'm confused about Stefan's > movement arrow; (sorry for that - do you remember my question DGS wolf ? ) I read that as a forearm held horizontally in front of the > body, hand pointing to the left, and its rotating. (shown by the double, > curved arrow). But in this sign the forearm was verticle--??? > Thank you for your comment on this! Valerie will probably comment this solution as well. What was my idea ? The right forarm is up, back of the hand facing you - (see gif "start ") now the hand and (I think the arm as well in its endposition ) moves into a vertikal positon (gif "end") Now - what kind of movement is it if you concentrate on the fingertips - while the elbow keeps almost in place ? I think its kind of quarter circle forward down ) Therefor I decided to use this movement arrow ? Is it correct Vallerie ? > _______________________________________ > Joe Martin, Plain Old Ordinary Student > Top Left Corner USA > > On Fri, 26 May 2000, Mark Penner wrote: > > > Great to see the transcriptions. I liked Wayne's for the second sign (his > > first, as he didn't include the nod/blink), though perhaps Stephan's (hi Mark - itīs interesting that you write my nam with "ph" do you know another "Stephan"? ;-))) ) may > > have been technically more accurate. It was hard to tell where one sign > > stopped and the next began, and the hand was sort of in the "in-between" > > position--between the way Wayne and I wrote it and the way Stephan wrote > > it. I liked the look of the sign with just the shoulder mark, rather than > > the overhead view I used. same with me ;-) > > > > For the third (Waynes 2nd), I liked Stephan's a lot, though I might have > > used a straight arrow for the angle instead of the curved. yes - I didnīt know eather but for the sake of learning and accuracy I decided to take this curved one - In real life you would get the chance to see it more clearly how far the hand bows forward - but when you move your arm from vertical to horizontal position your hand is forced into a curved movement unless you draw back with your elbow - - But the elbow stays in place - as far as I can see . Again, these are > > hard distinctions to draw, at least for me. Both Wayne and Stephan saw the > > third with fingers together, and that seems better to me than mine too. This was a difficult thing to decide and I looked at it in various frames - I > > found the two arrows on Waynes confusing, and mine had no arm movement > > indicated at all, whereas in the video, there was, I think. > > I agree ! ;-) > > What fun! It's wonderful to get such feedback. Yessssssssssss - thank you to all of you ! It helps to do my homework with more confidence ! Have a great day ... Stefan ;-) | ||||||||||||
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