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From:  Stefan Woehrmann2
Date:  Sat Feb 16, 2002  11:41 am
Subject:  Re: Frustration and SW

Hi Chris, Rikki and SW List members ,
I agree completely with your comment !!!
You will not prevent Deaf children to use SL if they feel more comfortable to express themselves this way. On the other hand none of my hard of hearing students shifts his mode of comunication towards SL if he feels more comfortable with spoken language - so they will show us what will be the best for them  ;-)
Let me add one thing --
What we need so badly are skilled SW- writers and tons of literature. Once the students start to read - they do want to read ... and therefore they are in need of lots of hopefully bilingual books ...
All the best
Stefan ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Macripiper .
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1:44 AM
Subject: Frustration and SW

Hi, Rikki and SW List members:

I think that frustration is something we have to deal with in Deaf Education. I'm a teacher, sign language interpreter and researcher in Sign Writing and here, in Porto Alegre (Rio Grande do Sul state, Brazil) even some deaf people are against SW and I think Dan is right cause they think they have spent so much time and effort to learn Portuguese that they are scared to death to learn another form of a language.

When I worked at the Signet Project and deaf schools visited the museum some said: why do we have to write in SW here if everything is presented in a visual way ? THAT is very frustrating, but we never gave up cause we believe a language, sooner or later, will need a kind of graphic representation. Now we gladly see SW in sign language interpreter's courses or in a additional graduation to teachers for the deaf (taught by a deaf teacher) and so on...

With time people will understand that it has occured with sign language too. How many parents of deaf children have forbiden their kids to sign thinking that it would cause any damage to spoken language acquisition ? And what do we have now ?

Time and patience is what we need...

Best regards !


----Original Message Follows----

From: Dan Parvaz
Reply-To: SignWriting List
Subject: Re: Lack of understanding of SW, so frustrating...
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:58:14 -0700
>>How did you lead with that? Do you think that (some)
>>deafs, specially the ones that are already scared of
>>spoken language, would use SW as an "excuse" not to

>>continue their studies of that spoken language?


This is the same old oralist "sign ruins speech" argument moved to a
different medium. It's as bogus for static language as it is for the
dynamic variety.

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