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Ingvild Roald Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 5:55 pm Subject: Re: bible project 2 | |
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Just one remark: I believe the 'backward' eyegaze is for receptive writing. Ingvild >From: Stefan Woehrmann >Reply-To: SignWriting List >To: SignWriting List >Subject: Re: bible project 2 >Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:36:45 +0200 > >Hi Joe, > >nice to get your answer - > >Joe wrote: > > about eye arrows........ > > > > Hmmmmm....It makes more sense to use double stemmed arrows; that means > > movement in the wall plane--up/down. You can't move your eyebrows any >other > > way!! I wrote single stems, just being lazy, din't really think it > > mattered. > >Wait a minute - I didnīt read your single stems as indicators for >eyebrows-movements - Was that your intention? >I thought of the eye-gaze -which isnīt possible this way ..;-) > > > > > Regarding eye movement, the Signwriting textbook (ch. 10) shows both >these > > slanting down at an angle, the double stemmed says "down, to one side," > > while the single stem says "back, to one side." > >Thatīs great that we can refer to the book. Good to know that. > > > I can't imagine why we need such a fine distinction. In my mind, the >eyes > > look up,down,sideways, in wall plane (double stemmed arrows) and that is >all > > they do. To distinguish between downwards and backwards (??) > >I like your questionmarks (same with me!) >Valerie can you help ? What was on your mind " backwards " > > is getting > > into a description of where/what the eyes are looking at. And that is a >can > > of worms that even the professional linguists don't want to open!!! > > > > Another thing; the symbol that shows the eyes looking straight ahead is >used > > in Stefan's second face. It looks like an arrow pointing up. That >confuses > > me, and seems contrary to the pictorial nature of SW that is so cool. > >Itīs like everything the more often you read this conciously the more you >get familiar with that - and it carrys information! > > In > > order to sign to someone, you have to make eye contact--so why do we >need >to > > write this symbol? > >You are right - Most of the time I prefer the sympol for open eyes - > type 2DA - on my keyboard) >But you should know that Iīm in the middle of studying the "Goldilocks....." >lessons > >There Valerie explains this issue as follows : Normally straight forward >eyegaze is not written, because it is assumed to be the "natural" position, >but in this case, the "shift of the eyegaze" from the diagonal front >corner, >to straight forward, must be written, since the eyegaze is acting as a >focus >on the placement of the classifiers." ( instruction for SignWriting Level >3 >& 4, page 33) >(In this case means: signer Darline refers to different chairs she places >at >different locations ) > >We can discuss - is this true for our Japanes signer as well at this moment >? > >The more I learn about facial expressions the more I feel convinced that I >could write a lot better if I could distinguish between the given >possibilities more clearly. Thatīs in the first place a matter of knowing >about grammar of DGS, on the other hand it is a problem to be able to >develop criterias to be able to see the differences that are performed by >deaf signers. So I have to learn to watch carefully !!!! > >But itīs good to know that you can look up the various possibilities of >facial expressions - I have a hard time to interpret the differences and >would love to see and discuss examples for every single description (mouth, >eyebrows, eyesgaze, nose, tension ...) > >Concerning the worms - >I guess that we donīt need this tooo accurate transcribing for >everyday -writing - (no way- my students are waiting for new materials >every >day!!)But on the other hand - in case I know how to write - itīs up to me >to >use is or not . On the other hand if I donīt know how to itīs not ok for me >to claim that I donīt need these differences . ;-) > >All the best >Stefan ;-) > > > > > > > |
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