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From:  Ingvild Roald
Date:  Wed Aug 2, 2000  5:55 pm
Subject:  Re: bible project 2

Just one remark: I believe the 'backward' eyegaze is for receptive writing.


>From: Stefan Woehrmann
>Reply-To: SignWriting List
>To: SignWriting List
>Subject: Re: bible project 2
>Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:36:45 +0200
>Hi Joe,
>nice to get your answer -
>Joe wrote:
> > about eye arrows........
> >
> > Hmmmmm....It makes more sense to use double stemmed arrows; that means
> > movement in the wall plane--up/down. You can't move your eyebrows any
> > way!! I wrote single stems, just being lazy, din't really think it
> > mattered.
>Wait a minute - I didnīt read your single stems as indicators for
>eyebrows-movements - Was that your intention?
>I thought of the eye-gaze -which isnīt possible this way ..;-)
> >
> > Regarding eye movement, the Signwriting textbook (ch. 10) shows both
> > slanting down at an angle, the double stemmed says "down, to one side,"
> > while the single stem says "back, to one side."
>Thatīs great that we can refer to the book. Good to know that.
> > I can't imagine why we need such a fine distinction. In my mind, the
> > look up,down,sideways, in wall plane (double stemmed arrows) and that is
> > they do. To distinguish between downwards and backwards (??)
>I like your questionmarks (same with me!)
>Valerie can you help ? What was on your mind " backwards "
> is getting
> > into a description of where/what the eyes are looking at. And that is a
> > of worms that even the professional linguists don't want to open!!!
> >
> > Another thing; the symbol that shows the eyes looking straight ahead is
> > in Stefan's second face. It looks like an arrow pointing up. That
> > me, and seems contrary to the pictorial nature of SW that is so cool.
>Itīs like everything the more often you read this conciously the more you
>get familiar with that - and it carrys information!
> In
> > order to sign to someone, you have to make eye contact--so why do we
> > write this symbol?
>You are right - Most of the time I prefer the sympol for open eyes -
> type 2DA - on my keyboard)
>But you should know that Iīm in the middle of studying the "Goldilocks....."
>There Valerie explains this issue as follows : Normally straight forward
>eyegaze is not written, because it is assumed to be the "natural" position,
>but in this case, the "shift of the eyegaze" from the diagonal front
>to straight forward, must be written, since the eyegaze is acting as a
>on the placement of the classifiers." ( instruction for SignWriting Level
>& 4, page 33)
>(In this case means: signer Darline refers to different chairs she places
>different locations )
>We can discuss - is this true for our Japanes signer as well at this moment
>The more I learn about facial expressions the more I feel convinced that I
>could write a lot better if I could distinguish between the given
>possibilities more clearly. Thatīs in the first place a matter of knowing
>about grammar of DGS, on the other hand it is a problem to be able to
>develop criterias to be able to see the differences that are performed by
>deaf signers. So I have to learn to watch carefully !!!!
>But itīs good to know that you can look up the various possibilities of
>facial expressions - I have a hard time to interpret the differences and
>would love to see and discuss examples for every single description (mouth,
>eyebrows, eyesgaze, nose, tension ...)
>Concerning the worms -
>I guess that we donīt need this tooo accurate transcribing for
>everyday -writing - (no way- my students are waiting for new materials
>day!!)But on the other hand - in case I know how to write - itīs up to me
>use is or not . On the other hand if I donīt know how to itīs not ok for me
>to claim that I donīt need these differences . ;-)
>All the best
>Stefan ;-)
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