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Stefan Woehrmann2 Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 12:25 am Subject: Re: SignWriting Font (DE) & a request | ||||||||
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Hallo Susanne , kurze Antwort auf deine Anfrage - Maybe your German informant does use another variety of fingerspelling - then I apologize in advance for the following suggestions... :-) Das klingt etwas komisch -- ((( Informant aus Deutschland ?? Wer anders als ich sollte denn da Verantwortung ernehmen ?? Warum fragst du nicht einfach direkt - ob ich wei ... Valerie hat soooooo viel zu tun -- Andererseits -- wir leben seit einer ganzen Zeit mit relativ vielen "Fehlern" Du kannst dir gar nicht vorstellen, wie m sam der Anfang war. Heute haben wir einen wunderbaren - kostenlos downloadbaren Fingeralphabet true-type Font aus der rezeptiven Sichtweise -- also eine hervorragende M lichkeit, um sich schon einmal wunderbar in viele Handformen der Geb ʰ denSchrift "einzusehen" Angesichts der ungew nlichen Arbeitsbelastung von Valerie Sutton traue ich mich einfach nicht an "kleine" Ver ? derungsw sche immer und immer wieder zu erinnern. Es gibt noch andere Projekte, die wir ver ? dern wollen - aber wir sind bislang einfach noch nicht dazu gekommen. Tats ʚ hlich gibt es bei genauem Hinsehen eine Vielzahl von Fingeralphabetausf rungen - auch in Deutschland findet man je nach "geh losem Informanten, Geb ʰ denkursleiter oder Graphiker" unterschiedliche Ausf rungen. Aber gerade das ist jetzt doch toll - wir k ? nen exakt beschreiben, was wir gleich oder anders meinen oder wollen - D: As I know it (and if I read the symbols correctly) the D-hand should be held in the same direction as the "o" (i.e. the other person should be able to look through the hole). As I read the symbol, this is not the case. Leider kannst du noch keine gifs mit dem SW Programm anfertigen - es w de die Kommunikation erheblich erleichtern, ;-) Ich habe ein gif angefertigt, dass deine Anfrage beschreibt - W: As I know the W, the baby finger is not extended but rather forms a little circle together with the thumb, so that index, middl e and ring finger point upwards and the remaining to fingers are "closed". Nat lich kennen wir auch diese FA - W Ausf rung - und tats ʚ hlich ist sie auch so im SignWriter Programm 4.4 enthalten ;-))) Dennoch finde ich die andere Variante - die "4- Hand" bei schnellen Buchstabieren praktisch - Und nebenbei bemerkt - wir arbeiten noch daran, das p und das q in eine andere Postion zu bringen -- nur f den Fall ;-))) .. und welche Ausf rung favorisierst du bei O Sch, ch, ...... F alle Fehler trage allein ich die Verantwortung. Wir haben aber soooooooooo viel mit vielen anderen wichtigen Projekten zu tun, dass wir einfach um Geduld bitten ,,,, Stefan ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susanne Bentele" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: SignWriting Font (DE) & a request Dear Val and everyone, a few days ago I downloaded the SignWriting Font for Macintosh and noticed to things that look like errors to me. I don't know if there's a variety in German fingerspelling in this respect (not that I have heard of...) but to me the "D" and the "W" are not quite correct. Maybe your German informant does use another variety of fingerspelling - then I apologize in advance for the following suggestions... :-) D: As I know it (and if I read the symbols correctly) the D-hand should be held in the same direction as the "o" (i.e. the other person should be able to look through the hole). As I read the symbol, this is not the case. W: As I know the W, the baby finger is not extended but rather forms a little circle together with the thumb, so that index, middle and ring finger point upwards and the remaining to fingers are "closed". Maybe other Germans on the list (Stefan?) could comment on this. (A possible solution in the case of a variety would be to put the alternative handshape on the keyboard as well - maybe using the shift key.) As to my request: I use a Mac and do not have the software to simulate a PC environment. Therefore I cannot use SignWriter at the moment. However, I would like to include some signs written in SignWriting in my thesis to illustrate what I am writing. Some of the things I need I have already found in examples all of you have sent to the list during the past years (Thank you!!!). There are, nevertheless, some signs I wasn't able to find and maybe someone can volunteer and write them for me...? (Spelling doesn't matter at all as long as the sign is "correct";) That would be ever so useful for me... The signs that I need are the following: COW / KUH (Y-handshape at side of forehead (one-or two-handed doesn't matter)) SAME (ASL) / WELCHE (DGS) (Y-handshape, moving from side to side) BALANCE / WIEGEN (flat hand, palm up, two hands move up and down alternating, hands are quite near to each other) EAR / H END (index finger close to ear, repeatedly tapping ear) MILK / MILCH (C-hands move up and down alternating, while moving down close into fist) STAND / STEHEN (V-hand stands on palm of flat hand; no movement) I do hope one of you can spare the time to help me out (or even has these signs in their dictionary)! Thank you very much! I hope you had a good weekend and wish you all the best for the new week, Susanne | ||||||||
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