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Stefan Woehrmann Date: Sat Jul 29, 2000 4:34 pm Subject: Japanese Bibel Project - second turn | ||||||||||||
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here is my comment on the next frames we try to transcribe. I believe that the signer wants to sign "Jesus" but I guess that he touches the palm of the left hand 5 fingers spread palm to the left with his middle and ringfingers - I couldnīt find this handshape on the keyboard - so I tried my own construction. The next movement isnīt clear enough. I guess (again) that he touches his palm of the C-handshaped left hand parallel to the floor palm inside with -- with what ?? please help - is it the index -finger ? (Here we can find back to our discussion on how exactly we need to transcribe - I guess he signs Jesus - and the usual sign for Jesus - touch of middlefingers at the plams of the hands would serve perfectly in order to write down a signed meaning - but thatīs not what our project was set up for. In case we decide to write what we see - I mean movement-sequences - I would love to be able to do that. ) Nitpicking - ha ! The signer starts with looking ahead down but ends with looking forward - eyebrows up - is it important ? Does he indicate - Iīm talking about the important person? How to write this shift from looking down in front of you to straight forward ???? I mean - should we write to faces - starting with the first part of the sign - and then another face with the eyes open ? - or arrows ? Joe wrote arrows underneath the eyebrows (up ) How to interpret these arrows - single stem down ? Hi Joe do you have the excellent "Lessons in Signwriting " Textbook and Workbook? I looked up chapter 10 Facial Expressions . In my point of view it is one of the most difficult issues and I would love to see more examples - photo or drawing and SW-symbol - Single- stemmed down arrow is reserved for the direction towards the body. double-stemmed arrows down in this case would indicate "Eyes Gaze Down" (X, page 3) Next frame: Joe you picked the curved single-stem to the right - indicating that he moves his right hand like in you (many persons) . I would rather identify a small up down curve to the right - and therefore I picked the double-stemmed arrow - do you agree ? Interesting to me is , that the signer starts with eyes open, eyebrows up - but ends with his head slightly bent to the right (expressive point of view) eyes closed - once again the problem - how to write the two faces --- Thanks for your symbol for head-orientation -- I have to study that - seems to be one of my ongoing problems Joe you can see his cheeks filled with air ? The quality of my video isnīt good enough. You can identify his mouth with kissing lips ? (Iīm sorry - I canīt see that neither) I guess that his eyebrows arenīt up, when he closes his eyes . ??? next frame - I agree with you - eyebrows up. He looks at his left 3 fingers hand - how to write that ? The English explanation for what you wrote (single-stemmed arows down to the left : "Eyes Gaze Back-Diagonal" My English isnīt good enough but is this back-diagonal ? Eyes Gaze forward diagonal is written with single-stemmed arrows upwards to the right or left! In this case - to be sooooooo exactly you wanted to indicate down - forward diagonal and at the same time diagonal to the left - Valerie should help ;-) Do we need double-stemmed arrows down to the left with the horizontal line ???? For everyday spelling we can forget that - just lift the left hand a litle bit - now you can watch it with the single-stemmed "Eyes gaze forward-diagonal!" symbol :-) What about the left hand - palm facing the body - What was your idea to "draw" the fingers the way you did - ? Do you identify the left handshape as a f-hand ? I canīt see that - I voted for the W-hand - ;-) I attached my transcription . Would appriciate your feed-back very much ----- Original Message ----- From: joe martin To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Shyuwa > Here is my gif: nextthree.gif > > It's past time we did some more on the Japanese Video Transcription, so I > thought I would send my versions of the next signs. Let's compare notes on > these; you guys can post your versions, add comments--we can let Valerie > rest for a while (like she ever does--ha!) > I suspect my first two signs might be a compound, only one sign rather than > two as I wrote it; what do you others think? > > _______________________________________ > Joe Martin, Plain Old Ordinary Student > Top Left Corner USA > > | ||||||||||||
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